Milestone-Proposal talk:First Live Commercial Trans-Atlantic Radio Broadcast

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Submission and Approval Log

Submitted date: 6 December 2023
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Original Citation Title and Text -- Administrator4 (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

First Live Trans-Atlantic Commercial Radio Broadcast , 1925

On March 14, 1925 the first trans-Atlantic commercial radio was received at the Radio Corporation of America station in Belfast. Originated by the BBC at London’s Savoy Hotel, the signal was relayed to Washington and New York via Balfast where listeners heard the hotel’s dance band on their home radios. This broadcast was the forerunner of today’s global live broadcasts and global social media conversations.

Initial milestone proposal review -- Jbart64 (talk) 21:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I reviewed the proposed milestone for the “First Live Trans-Atlantic Commercial Radio Broadcast, 1925.” Several comments and reactions:

-- This achievement is worthy of a milestone; however, the proposal needs more work. The claim is too broad, and the word “first” is almost always a problem in milestone claims.

-- Additional discussion about the history of transatlantic radio is important. The timeline in “Leading up to the event:” only briefly mentions Marconi (1901/1902), excludes Fessenden (1906), and never mentions WEAF (Dec., 29 1922) or WOR (Oct. 1 1922). The high-frequency transatlantic experiments in 1921 achieved by amateurs and KDKA’s transatlantic shortwave broadcasts in 1924 are also ignored.

-- Greater clarity is needed to separate transatlantic telegraphy from transatlantic telephony from more modern notions of public programming and scheduled radio broadcasts made with or without advertising. The wording in a radio related milestone plaque that addresses aspects of programming or two-way interaction with voice or music needs to be very sharply defined due to the many conflicting historical claims that stem, in part, from poorly defined distinctions.

-- Wikipedia is not considered a primary reference source.

-- If the primary focus is on BBC transatlantic program service, then the milestone citation needs to focus on that. If the focus is on the systems engineering aspect, then the plaque language needs to clearly and narrowly highlight this. If the focus is on the notion of “commercial” and “broadcast”, this opens a trick box, since many companies experimented with and initiated various forms of transatlantic transmission and reception of signals, voice, and even programs, and many efforts involved commercial interests or commercial goals in some fashion.

-- The proposed plaque location is appropriate.

-- I suggest really sharpening the historical discussion to focus on very clear and narrow aspects of the achievement being claimed. I would delete the word “first” replacing it with “a.” Use active not passive voice.

-- For example, consider, but by no means treat this as a completed version, the following 70-word idea: “On March 14, 1925 Radio Corporation of America received a trans-Atlantic commercially produced radio program at its Belfast longwave station. British Broadcasting Corporation, BBC, originated the program at London’s Savoy Hotel, relaying the signal through Belfast to Washington, DC and New York City radio stations using American shortwave radio and landline systems. Americans heard the hotel’s dance band on their home radios. This international system anticipated global live radio programming.”

-- Also, the title could more directly address the topic of the milestone. A suggestion is "Trans-Atlantic Radio Transmission System, 1925". This title reflects the content of the paragraph description, focusing on the radio system and the program content.

David Bart Milestone Advocate