Milestone-Proposal talk:First Live Commercial Trans-Atlantic Radio Broadcast

Advocates’ Checklist

1. Is the proposal for an achievement rather than for a person? If the citation includes a person's name, have the proposers provided the required justification for inclusion of the person's name?
2. Was the proposed achievement a significant advance rather than an incremental improvement to an existing technology?
3. Were there prior or contemporary achievements of a similar nature? If so, have they been properly considered in the background information and in the citation?
4. Has the achievement truly led to a functioning, useful, or marketable technology?
5. Is the proposal adequately supported by significant references (minimum of five) such as patents, contemporary newspaper articles, journal articles, or citations to pages in scholarly books? At least one of the references should be from a peer-reviewed scholarly book or journal article. The full text of the material, not just the references, shall be present. If the supporting texts are copyright-encumbered and cannot be posted on the ETHW for intellectual property reasons, the proposers shall email a copy to the History Center so that it can be forwarded to the Advocate. If the Advocate does not consider the supporting references sufficient, the Advocate may ask the proposer(s) for additional ones.
6. Are the scholarly references sufficiently recent?
7. Does the proposed citation explain why the achievement was successful and impactful?
8. Does the proposed citation include important technical aspects of the achievement?
9. Is the proposed citation readable and understandable by the general public?
10. Will the citation be read correctly in the future by only using past tense? Does the citation wording avoid statements that read accurately only at the time that the proposal is written?
11. Does the proposed plaque site fulfill the requirements?
12. Is the proposal quality comparable to that of IEEE publications?
13. Are any scientific and technical units correct (e.g., km, mm, hertz, etc.)? Are acronyms correct and properly upper-cased or lower-cased? Are the letters in any acronym explained in the title or the citation?
14. Are date formats correct as specified in Section 6 of Milestones Program Guidelines? Helpful Hints on Citations, plaque locations
15. Do the year(s) appearing in the citation fall within the range of the year(s) included at the end of the title?
16. Note that it is the Advocate's responsibility to confirm that the independent reviewers have no conflict of interest (e.g., that they do not work for a company or a team involved in the achievement being proposed, that they have not published with the proposer(s), and have not worked on a project related to the funding of the achievement). An example of a way to check for this would be to search reviewers' publications on IEEE Xplore.

Reviewers’ Checklist

1. Is suggested wording of the Plaque Citation accurate?
2. Is evidence presented in the proposal of sufficient substance and accuracy to support the Plaque Citation?
3. Does proposed milestone represent a significant technical achievement?
4. Were there similar or competing achievements? If so, have the proposers adequately described these and their relationship to the achievement being proposed?
5. Have proposers shown a clear benefit to humanity?

In answering the questions above, the History Committee asks that reviewers apply a similar level of rigor to that used to peer-review an article, or evaluate a research proposal. Some elaboration is desirable. Of course the Committee would welcome any additional observations that you may have regarding this proposal.

Submission and Approval Log

Submitted date: 6 December 2023
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Original Citation Title and Text -- Administrator4 (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

First Live Trans-Atlantic Commercial Radio Broadcast , 1925

On March 14, 1925 the first trans-Atlantic commercial radio was received at the Radio Corporation of America station in Belfast. Originated by the BBC at London’s Savoy Hotel, the signal was relayed to Washington and New York via Balfast where listeners heard the hotel’s dance band on their home radios. This broadcast was the forerunner of today’s global live broadcasts and global social media conversations.

Initial milestone proposal review -- Jbart64 (talk) 21:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I reviewed the proposed milestone for the “First Live Trans-Atlantic Commercial Radio Broadcast, 1925.” Several comments and reactions:

-- This achievement is worthy of a milestone; however, the proposal needs more work. The claim is too broad, and the word “first” is almost always a problem in milestone claims.

-- Additional discussion about the history of transatlantic radio is important. The timeline in “Leading up to the event:” only briefly mentions Marconi (1901/1902), excludes Fessenden (1906), and never mentions WEAF (Dec., 29 1922) or WOR (Oct. 1 1922). The high-frequency transatlantic experiments in 1921 achieved by amateurs and KDKA’s transatlantic shortwave broadcasts in 1924 are also ignored.

-- Greater clarity is needed to separate transatlantic telegraphy from transatlantic telephony from more modern notions of public programming and scheduled radio broadcasts made with or without advertising. The wording in a radio related milestone plaque that addresses aspects of programming or two-way interaction with voice or music needs to be very sharply defined due to the many conflicting historical claims that stem, in part, from poorly defined distinctions.

-- Wikipedia is not considered a primary reference source.

-- If the primary focus is on BBC transatlantic program service, then the milestone citation needs to focus on that. If the focus is on the systems engineering aspect, then the plaque language needs to clearly and narrowly highlight this. If the focus is on the notion of “commercial” and “broadcast”, this opens a trick box, since many companies experimented with and initiated various forms of transatlantic transmission and reception of signals, voice, and even programs, and many efforts involved commercial interests or commercial goals in some fashion.

-- The proposed plaque location is appropriate.

-- I suggest really sharpening the historical discussion to focus on very clear and narrow aspects of the achievement being claimed. I would delete the word “first” replacing it with “a.” Use active not passive voice.

-- For example, consider, but by no means treat this as a completed version, the following 70-word idea: “On March 14, 1925 Radio Corporation of America received a trans-Atlantic commercially produced radio program at its Belfast longwave station. British Broadcasting Corporation, BBC, originated the program at London’s Savoy Hotel, relaying the signal through Belfast to Washington, DC and New York City radio stations using American shortwave radio and landline systems. Americans heard the hotel’s dance band on their home radios. This international system anticipated global live radio programming.”

-- Also, the title could more directly address the topic of the milestone. A suggestion is "Trans-Atlantic Radio Transmission System, 1925". This title reflects the content of the paragraph description, focusing on the radio system and the program content.

David Bart Milestone Advocate