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I would like to thank you for proposing our application for consideration by the IEEE History Committee in October.
I would like to thank you for proposing our application for consideration by the IEEE History Committee in October.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
===Re: Recommend this proposal to go forward -- [[User:Jason.k.hui|Jason.k.hui]] ([[User talk:Jason.k.hui|talk]]) 15:39, 2 August 2020 (UTC)===
In the first sentence of the citation, should "DENSO" be replaced with "DENSO WAVE" (the latter is the subsidiary responsible for the creation of the QR Code)?  Additionally, should the words "two dimensional" be added prior to "QR Code" (also, suggest changing "Code" to "code") in the first sentence?
====Re: Re: Recommend this proposal to go forward -- [[User:Kunihiko Sasaki|Kunihiko Sasaki]] ([[User talk:Kunihiko Sasaki|talk]]) 19:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)====
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Dear Dr. Hui,
Thank you for your important comment.
DENSO WAVE is a company established by DENSO on 2001 to commercialize information equipment and robotics, and QR Code was developed in 1994 by DENSO's R&D department. Therefore, we want to leave the text as it is. This has been approved by the representatives of DENSO WAVE and DENSO.
Also, the reason we have arranged capital letters such as "QR Code" is that this name is used as registered proper names in the world. For example, It is same as "Disney Land".
Therefore, we have no plans to change.
However, if this should be corrected grammatically, we can agree.
=====Re: Re: Re: Recommend this proposal to go forward -- [[User:Jason.k.hui|Jason.k.hui]] ([[User talk:Jason.k.hui|talk]]) 20:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)=====
Both the video at https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/video/2072031/ and article at https://cntechpost.com/2019/12/19/inventor-of-qr-code-i-never-thought-it-could-be-used-for-payment/ indicate DENSO WAVE.  However, I'm fine with leaving it as DENSO if that's the desire.  If you have "QR Code" in the first sentence, then why aren't the second and third sentences similar (i.e., "QR Codes")?  Also, after watching the video and reading the article that I referenced, I suggest adding "two-dimensional" before "QR Code" in the first sentence.
======Re: Re: Re: Re: Recommend this proposal to go forward -- [[User:Kunihiko Sasaki|Kunihiko Sasaki]] ([[User talk:Kunihiko Sasaki|talk]]) 03:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)======
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Dear Dr. Hui, thank you for your comment. The three of "QR Code" have the same meaning, so they have been changed to the same characters. And I Inserted "two-dimensional" before "QR Code" as you pointed.
Additionally, Mr. Hara, who appears in the URL you showed, is the inventor of the QR Code and co-applicant of this IEEE milestone. He invented in the R&D department of DENSO and he agrees with the description of this proposal.


== possible citation rewording? -- [[User:Amy Bix|Amy Bix]] ([[User talk:Amy Bix|talk]]) 20:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC) ==
== possible citation rewording? -- [[User:Amy Bix|Amy Bix]] ([[User talk:Amy Bix|talk]]) 20:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC) ==
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You have definitely improved the citation; the benefit of having another set of eyes look at it. I strongly recommend that the proposer adopt your version or something very close to it.
You have definitely improved the citation; the benefit of having another set of eyes look at it. I strongly recommend that the proposer adopt your version or something very close to it.
====Re: Re: possible citation rewording? -- [[User:Kunihiko Sasaki|Kunihiko Sasaki]] ([[User talk:Kunihiko Sasaki|talk]]) 23:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)====
Thank you for the excellent correction suggestions. I changed a verb and adopted them.
=====Re: Re: Re: possible citation rewording? -- [[User:Vardalas|John Vardalas]] ([[User talk:Vardalas|talk]]) 19:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)=====
The word "improve" was changed to "inovate", which no doubt is a typo. But of more importance, the verb  "to innovate" is intransitive which is not grammatically correct as used in this sentence. You should consider another verb like "to advance" or go back to "to improve". You could use "to innovate" as a transitive verb as in the phrase "to innovate new systems" but then you would have to go to all the trouble of rewriting the entire sentence and worrying about word count.
======Re: Re: Re: Re: possible citation rewording? -- [[User:Kunihiko Sasaki|Kunihiko Sasaki]] ([[User talk:Kunihiko Sasaki|talk]]) 23:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)======
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Dear Dr. Vardalas,
Thank you for your advice.
I have changed as before.

Latest revision as of 06:20, 20 September 2020

Introduction and next steps -- John Vardalas (talk) 16:21, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Dear Proposer:

I am a member of the IEEE History Committee and I will be the Advocate for this proposal. As Advocate, my responsibility is to help you get this proposal to a successful vote by the History Committee. Before I can recommend this proposal to the Committee, at least two external, expert reviews are required.

I will start putting together a list of possible reviewers. If you have names to recommend, please send them on to me. I will contact you by email.

John Vardalas, Ph.D.

IEEE History Committee

Assessment by First Reviewer -- John Vardalas (talk) 00:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Below is the first review from Prof. Yoshimitsu Aoki, Department of Electronics and Electrical Engineering, Keio University, Japan

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"The QR code developed by DENSO is a very simple and strong coding technology composed of a two-dimensional binary rectangular array.

Due to its simplicity, QR codes have made it possible to reduce the cost of reading hardware and speed up image processing algorithms. This point was novel in history and was a very technically excellent.

The services provided by this technology are indispensable in the daily life, not only in production management and logistics, but also , such as the Internet, SNS and electronic payment.

The supplementary texts and resources provided by DENSO are sufficient to prove the technical superiority and historical significance of this proposal, the date and locations of achievements.

"In 1994, DENSO developed QR Code, a two-dimensional code that is simple, inexpensive, and high speed reading. QR Code, which started with production management, has since become a technology used around the world due to the spread of mobile phones, Internet, and electronic payments. It has become one of the most popular information products in human history in terms of the number of users and uses."

in my opinion, the wording of the above claim is accurate.

Totally, this proposal seems to properly support the IEEE milestone claim."

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Re: Assessment by First Reviewer -- Kunihiko Sasaki (talk) 01:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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I would like to thank the comments and suggestions of the first reviewer. Thank you very much.

Assessment by Second Reviewer -- John Vardalas (talk) 17:33, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

The second review of this Milestone proposal is from Dr. Kris Kitani. At Carnegie Mellon University, he holds the positions of Associate Research Professor in the Robotics Institute, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University, Courtesy Professor in the Electrical and Computer Engineering (ECE) department, and Director of the Master of Science Computer Vision (MSCV) Program Carnegie Mellon University. He is also Research Fellow in the Institute of Industrial Science at the University of Tokyo. Below is his review.

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"a) Have the proposers established clear historical significance?

Yes, they have given sufficient historical context in which the QR code was developed and how it became an international standard.

b) Are their arguments technically strong?

The text mainly describes the *result* of overcoming of technical obstacle (e.g. computational efficiency, distractor patterns, code damage) but there is little description about *how* the obstacles were actually overcome. Adding a short description of the technical innovation (the method) would help strengthen the technical arguments to demonstrate significance of the technology. The description of the "finder pattern" was of sufficient detail (maybe too much detail for this document) but other methods such as alignment, timing and error correction were not described.

c) Do the answers adequately support the Milestone claim:

"In 1994, DENSO developed QR Code, a two-dimensional code that is simple, inexpensive, and high speed reading. QR Code, which started with production management, has since become a technology used around the world due to the spread of mobile phones, Internet, and electronic payments. It has become one of the most popular information products in human history in terms of the number of users and uses."

d) In your view, is the wording of the above claim accurate? The content is accurate.

e) Finally, have the proposers provided adequate "Supporting texts and citations to establish the dates, location, and importance of the achievement:"

Yes citations are adequate.

Other comments:

I found that the text was a bit hard to read at time as there were several spelling and grammar mistakes (e.g., incomplete sentences). If this is going to be published, then I would suggest more proof-reading. For example, I believe the "cord" is a misspelling for "code." "high speed reading" is grammatically correct but stylistically awkward."

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Re: Assessment by Second Reviewer -- Kunihiko Sasaki (talk) 01:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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I would like to thank the comments and suggestions of the second reviewer. Then, I have completed the amendment of the application contents in response to your indication. Thank you very much.

Follow-up to the Second Reviewer's Comments -- John Vardalas (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I recommend that the proposer consider the suggestions made in part b of the second reviewer's assessment.

Re: Follow-up to the Second Reviewer's Comments -- Kunihiko Sasaki (talk) 01:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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Dear Dr. Vardalas, I would like to thank you for your comments and suggestions. Then, I completed the amendment of the application contents to the matters pointed out by the reviewers. Thank you very much.

Assessment by Third Reviewer -- John Vardalas (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

The third, and final review, of this Milestone Proposal is from Dr. James Hung-Kuo Chu, Associate Professor, Department of Computer Science, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. I am posting his review verbatim on his behalf. His review consists of answers to a set of questions.

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"a) Have they established clear historical significance?"

"QR Code is the first form of 2D barcode that overcomes several challenging problems in machine-readable barcodes, including high-capacity, fast response, and error correction. The QR Code was originally used by its inventor, DENSO Corp., in the automobile parts industry. The fascinating features of QR codes have quickly made QR code become the most popular 2D barcode in the world that completely changes the way people communicate with digital information in many daily applications such as advertising, retail business, or even artistic design. Therefore, I strongly believe that the invention of QR code has established a clear and significant impact on history."

"b) Are their arguments technically strong?"

"Yes, the technical soundness is strong, all the obstacles are exposed and discussed appropriately." "c) Do the answers adequately support the Milestone claim:"

"In 1994, DENSO developed QR Code, a two-dimensional code that is simple, inexpensive, and high-speed reading. QR Code, which started with production management, has since become a technology used around the world due to the spread of mobile phones, the Internet, and electronic payments. It has become one of the most popular information products in human history in terms of the number of users and uses."

"d) In your view, is the wording of the above claim accurate?"

"Yes, the wording is accurate and the proposal seems to adequately support the Milestone claim." "e) Finally have the proposers provided adequate "Supporting texts and citations to establish the dates, location, and importance of the achievement:"

"Yes, both the supporting texts and citations are adequate."

Re: Assessment by Third Reviewer -- Kunihiko Sasaki (talk) 03:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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I would like to thank the comments and suggestions of the third reviewer. Thank you very much.

Recommend this proposal to go forward -- John Vardalas (talk) 17:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I recommend that the proposal go forward for discussion and a vote at the next History Committee (HC) meeting. I welcome feedback from the entire HC that is timely enough to give the proposers a chance to respond before the formal vote in October.

Re: Recommend this proposal to go forward -- Kunihiko Sasaki (talk) 03:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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Dear Dr. Vardalas, I would like to thank you for your comments and suggestions. I'm honored to have the support of you and three reviewers. I would like to thank you for proposing our application for consideration by the IEEE History Committee in October. Thank you very much.

Re: Recommend this proposal to go forward -- Jason.k.hui (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

In the first sentence of the citation, should "DENSO" be replaced with "DENSO WAVE" (the latter is the subsidiary responsible for the creation of the QR Code)? Additionally, should the words "two dimensional" be added prior to "QR Code" (also, suggest changing "Code" to "code") in the first sentence?

Re: Re: Recommend this proposal to go forward -- Kunihiko Sasaki (talk) 19:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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Dear Dr. Hui, Thank you for your important comment. DENSO WAVE is a company established by DENSO on 2001 to commercialize information equipment and robotics, and QR Code was developed in 1994 by DENSO's R&D department. Therefore, we want to leave the text as it is. This has been approved by the representatives of DENSO WAVE and DENSO. Also, the reason we have arranged capital letters such as "QR Code" is that this name is used as registered proper names in the world. For example, It is same as "Disney Land". Therefore, we have no plans to change. However, if this should be corrected grammatically, we can agree.

Re: Re: Re: Recommend this proposal to go forward -- Jason.k.hui (talk) 20:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Both the video at https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/video/2072031/ and article at https://cntechpost.com/2019/12/19/inventor-of-qr-code-i-never-thought-it-could-be-used-for-payment/ indicate DENSO WAVE. However, I'm fine with leaving it as DENSO if that's the desire. If you have "QR Code" in the first sentence, then why aren't the second and third sentences similar (i.e., "QR Codes")? Also, after watching the video and reading the article that I referenced, I suggest adding "two-dimensional" before "QR Code" in the first sentence.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Recommend this proposal to go forward -- Kunihiko Sasaki (talk) 03:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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Dear Dr. Hui, thank you for your comment. The three of "QR Code" have the same meaning, so they have been changed to the same characters. And I Inserted "two-dimensional" before "QR Code" as you pointed. Additionally, Mr. Hara, who appears in the URL you showed, is the inventor of the QR Code and co-applicant of this IEEE milestone. He invented in the R&D department of DENSO and he agrees with the description of this proposal.

possible citation rewording? -- Amy Bix (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure the citation fully does justice to this technology's significance? One possible rewording:

In 1994, DENSO developed the QR Code, inexpensive machine-readable optical labels that improved on barcoding by conveying larger amounts of data more quickly. Worldwide businesses soon adopted QR codes to improve manufacturing, logistics, and management. Camera-equipped mobile phones brought QR codes into advertising, design, and widespread applications such as electronic payments, giving consumers efficient new ways to access digital information.

Re: possible citation rewording? -- John Vardalas (talk) 17:58, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

You have definitely improved the citation; the benefit of having another set of eyes look at it. I strongly recommend that the proposer adopt your version or something very close to it.

Re: Re: possible citation rewording? -- Kunihiko Sasaki (talk) 23:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the excellent correction suggestions. I changed a verb and adopted them.

Re: Re: Re: possible citation rewording? -- John Vardalas (talk) 19:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

The word "improve" was changed to "inovate", which no doubt is a typo. But of more importance, the verb "to innovate" is intransitive which is not grammatically correct as used in this sentence. You should consider another verb like "to advance" or go back to "to improve". You could use "to innovate" as a transitive verb as in the phrase "to innovate new systems" but then you would have to go to all the trouble of rewriting the entire sentence and worrying about word count.

Re: Re: Re: Re: possible citation rewording? -- Kunihiko Sasaki (talk) 23:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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Dear Dr. Vardalas, Thank you for your advice. I have changed as before.