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I do not see the minimum two external reviews. The proposal looks solid. But I'm not an expert in this area. So I would need these reviews before I decide on my vote or even attempt to wordsmith the citation.
I do not see the minimum two external reviews. The proposal looks solid. But I'm not an expert in this area. So I would need these reviews before I decide on my vote or even attempt to wordsmith the citation.
== expert reviews -- [[User:JaninA|JaninA]] ([[User talk:JaninA|talk]]) 11:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC) ==
I second John Vardalas question. Where are experts' opinions?!
Janina

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Wordsmithing -- Allisonmarsh (talk) 16:38, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Suggested change citation:

In 1988, in the Laboratory of Intelligent Machines and Bioinformation Systems located in this building, signals emanating from a human brain controlled the movement of a physical object (a robot) for the first time. This research linked EEG research with robotics and opened a new communication channel between humans and machines. The research and applications of controlling physical objects, such as home appliances, wheelchairs, prostheses, drones, and other robots, has since spread worldwide.

(73 words)

This removes the passive voice in the original first sentence. It also offers additional information as to the importance of the technical achievement.

I have emailed the proposer this suggested change & will update this page with his response.

Re: Wordsmithing -- Allisonmarsh (talk) 16:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

The proposer suggested the following changes to get it down to 65 words, which I approve.

In 1988, in the Laboratory of Intelligent Machines and Bioinformation Systems located in this building, signals emanating from a human brain controlled the movement of a physical object (a robot) for the first time worldwide. That linked EEG research with robotics and opened a new communication channel between humans and machines. The EEG controlled physical objects (wheelchairs, exoskeletons, etc) became reality, for benefit of humanity.

(65 words)

Re: Re: Wordsmithing -- Allisonmarsh (talk) 21:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

In re-reading the citation a month later, I realize I stumbled over the phrase "signals emanating from a human brain." Would it be accurate to rephrase to "human brain signals controlled the movement..."?
Re: Re: Re: Wordsmithing -- Allisonmarsh (talk) 14:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Response from the proposer: "The phrase "signals emanating from a human brain" points out that the recording is taken non-invasively, outside the brain, which is important. Saying just "human brain signals" includes signal invasively taken inside the brain. In non-invasive case, electrodes are antennae, rather then needles inside the brain. The 1988 work was the first non-invasive EEG control of movement of a physical object, the invasive case happened 11 years later. Also "emanating from a human brain" relates to the idea of engineering solution of psychokinesis science fiction challenge. So I would suggest that the citation remains as it is now, as you proposed it earlier."

I withdraw my suggested wordsmithing.

Re: Re: Wordsmithing -- Bberg (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I suggest these tweaks to the citation:

Remove "...worldwide." as this is implicit, and perhaps add "very" before "first time" to emphasize this point
Change "That linked..." to "This linked..."
Change "The EEG controlled..." to "The EEG-controlled..."
Change "for benefit" to "for the benefit"

Brian Berg

Shortening the title -- Administrator4 (talk) 14:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Recommend shortening the title to make it fit better on the plaque and so as not to duplicate words in the citation. Also uppercase according to IEEE style.

Current title: First control of a physical object (a robot) using signals emanating from a human brain - 1988

Recommended title: First Control of a Physical Object (Robot) Using Signals from a Human Brain, 1988

Re: Shortening the title -- Allisonmarsh (talk) 15:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I have no problem with this, but defer to the proposer.

Where are the two reviews? -- John Vardalas (talk) 21:43, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I do not see the minimum two external reviews. The proposal looks solid. But I'm not an expert in this area. So I would need these reviews before I decide on my vote or even attempt to wordsmith the citation.

expert reviews -- JaninA (talk) 11:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I second John Vardalas question. Where are experts' opinions?!

Janina