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== Editing Milestone-Proposal Title -- [[User:HI Electric Lighting|HI Electric Lighting]] ([[User talk:HI Electric Lighting|talk]]) 02:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC) ==
 
== Editing Milestone-Proposal Title -- [[User:HI Electric Lighting|HI Electric Lighting]] ([[User talk:HI Electric Lighting|talk]]) 02:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC) ==
  
In collaboration with the site owner, Friends of Iolani Palace, we propose to make another adjustment to the original title with one (1) minor change to a lower case for "The" to "the" and deleting "1886-1888".  Submitted is the new, edited title, Electric Lighting of the Kingdom of Hawaii.
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In collaboration with the site owner, Friends of Iolani Palace, we propose to make another adjustment to the original title with one (1) minor change to a lower case from "The" to "the" and deleting "1886-1888".  Submitted is the new, edited title, Electric Lighting of the Kingdom of Hawaii
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With this edited Milestone-Proposal Title, Electric Lighting of the Kingdom of Hawaii, the citation is accepted and approved by the proposer.
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===Re: Editing Milestone-Proposal Title -- [[User:Administrator4|Administrator4]] ([[User talk:Administrator4|talk]]) 19:49, 21 September 2017 (UTC)===
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IEEE Milestone format is to put the year in the title of the milestone.
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== Comments on Milestone citation -- [[User:Jason.k.hui|Jason.k.hui]] ([[User talk:Jason.k.hui|talk]]) 13:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC) ==
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I have reviewed the proposed citation and I don't get the sense of the historical significance of the achievement.  The citation essentially lists several facts.  It would be good it it could add something (noted below) to the citation:
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"The king's action inspired the technical industry and accelerated implementation of the new technology in the Kingdom of Hawaii then and the State of Hawaii today. This award acknowledges King Kalakaua's foresight and achievement in bringing electric lighting to Hawaii."
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Suggest either the History Committee edit the citation or send it back to the proposers for update.
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===Re: Comments on Milestone citation -- [[User:Jbart64|Jbart64]] ([[User talk:Jbart64|talk]]) 18:32, 17 October 2017 (UTC)===
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I do not support the proposal as written.  It does not highlight a technological achievement.  If the intent is to celebrate the King's action in bringing electrical development to the islands, then the Milestone is not really celebrating a technological advance, but rather a political decision that resulted in technological progress which also had broader cultural implications.  Would a Special Citation be more appropriate?  Dave Bart
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==  -- [[User:JaninA|JaninA]] ([[User talk:JaninA|talk]]) 15:17, 25 October 2017 (UTC) ==
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What about as below:
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"In 1886, electric lighting was installed in the Iolani Palace in 1886 by the King Kalakaua, only seven years after the Edison’s invention of the incandescent light bulb. By March 1987, 325 electric lights were in the Palace’s 104 rooms, four years before the electrification of the White House in Washington. By March 1888, the Town of Honolulu had electric street lights. The King Kalakaua's deep interest in applications of electricity has inspired the development of technical industry in the Kingdom (now the State) of Hawaii"
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We got the regional significance and the King's role too....
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==  -- [[User:Juan Carlos|Juan Carlos]] ([[User talk:Juan Carlos|talk]]) 01:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC) ==
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IEEE Milestones recognize the technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity found in
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unique products,
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services,
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seminal papers and
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patents.
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I really don't see under which of those categories falls the King's push to use electrical light in his palast.
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It seems to me that an IEEE Milestone is not an appropriate recognition for this achievement.
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===Re: -- [[User:M.j.bastiaans|M.j.bastiaans]] ([[User talk:M.j.bastiaans|talk]]) 16:28, 27 October 2017 (UTC)===
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I like to stay with what I said during our teleconference of 28 September, which resonates with the views expressed by some others above: I do not quite see the technical achievement of this proposal and it is highly focused on a specific person (the King).
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====Re: Re: -- [[User:Bethrobertson|Bethrobertson]] ([[User talk:Bethrobertson|talk]]) 12:17, 29 October 2017 (UTC)====
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Although a regional achievement, is this what a milestone is intended to mark? I similarly have reservations about focusing so intently on the King.

Latest revision as of 12:17, 29 October 2017

Minor copy edits -- Allisonmarsh (talk) 20:41, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

I think this milestone citation looks good. The only (very minor) changes I would suggest would be to lowercase the "of" in the title and to put the date into the IEEE format (day month year).

Otherwise, I support moving this milestone to committee for discussion and approval.

-Allison

Re: Minor copy edits -- Administrator4 (talk) 14:36, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Re: Re: Minor copy edits -- HI Electric Lighting (talk) 23:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

The dates of the subject Milestone Proposal have been put into IEEE format (day month year).

However, no editing option for the Milestone-Proposal title to revise "Of" to lower case "of". Let me send an email to Mr. Colburn for his advice and follow up with appropriate action. Thank you, ST

Editing Milestone-Proposal Title -- HI Electric Lighting (talk) 02:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

In collaboration with the site owner, Friends of Iolani Palace, we propose to make another adjustment to the original title with one (1) minor change to a lower case from "The" to "the" and deleting "1886-1888". Submitted is the new, edited title, Electric Lighting of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

With this edited Milestone-Proposal Title, Electric Lighting of the Kingdom of Hawaii, the citation is accepted and approved by the proposer.

Re: Editing Milestone-Proposal Title -- Administrator4 (talk) 19:49, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

IEEE Milestone format is to put the year in the title of the milestone.

Comments on Milestone citation -- Jason.k.hui (talk) 13:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I have reviewed the proposed citation and I don't get the sense of the historical significance of the achievement. The citation essentially lists several facts. It would be good it it could add something (noted below) to the citation:

"The king's action inspired the technical industry and accelerated implementation of the new technology in the Kingdom of Hawaii then and the State of Hawaii today. This award acknowledges King Kalakaua's foresight and achievement in bringing electric lighting to Hawaii."

Suggest either the History Committee edit the citation or send it back to the proposers for update.

Re: Comments on Milestone citation -- Jbart64 (talk) 18:32, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I do not support the proposal as written. It does not highlight a technological achievement. If the intent is to celebrate the King's action in bringing electrical development to the islands, then the Milestone is not really celebrating a technological advance, but rather a political decision that resulted in technological progress which also had broader cultural implications. Would a Special Citation be more appropriate? Dave Bart

-- JaninA (talk) 15:17, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

What about as below: "In 1886, electric lighting was installed in the Iolani Palace in 1886 by the King Kalakaua, only seven years after the Edison’s invention of the incandescent light bulb. By March 1987, 325 electric lights were in the Palace’s 104 rooms, four years before the electrification of the White House in Washington. By March 1888, the Town of Honolulu had electric street lights. The King Kalakaua's deep interest in applications of electricity has inspired the development of technical industry in the Kingdom (now the State) of Hawaii"

We got the regional significance and the King's role too....

-- Juan Carlos (talk) 01:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

IEEE Milestones recognize the technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity found in unique products, services, seminal papers and patents.

I really don't see under which of those categories falls the King's push to use electrical light in his palast.

It seems to me that an IEEE Milestone is not an appropriate recognition for this achievement.

Re: -- M.j.bastiaans (talk) 16:28, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I like to stay with what I said during our teleconference of 28 September, which resonates with the views expressed by some others above: I do not quite see the technical achievement of this proposal and it is highly focused on a specific person (the King).

Re: Re: -- Bethrobertson (talk) 12:17, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Although a regional achievement, is this what a milestone is intended to mark? I similarly have reservations about focusing so intently on the King.